"The Bible is dynamite" Archbishop Desmond Tutu

Krista Tippett in this week's program "Speaking of Faith" interviews Archbishop Desmond Tutu. The Bible teaches the intrinsic worth of human beings in Genesis in that humans are made in God's image. Desmond Tutu tells of speaking to his congregants that when the white employer asks you, his black employees in apartheid South Africa, "Who are you?" you say, "I am a God-carrier." And their backs straightened up and they left church walking taller.

Here is the South African National Anthem which plays during the interview:

(Xhosa) Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika Maluphakanyisw' uphondo lwayo, (Zulu) Yizwa imithandazo yethu, Nkosi sikelela, thina lusapho lwayo.	(English) God [Lord] bless Africa Raise high Her glory Hear our Prayers God bless us, we her children
(Sesotho) Morena boloka setjhaba sa heso, O fedise dintwa le matshwenyeho, O se boloke, O se boloke setjhaba sa heso, Setjhaba sa, South Afrika - South Afrika.	God we ask You to protect our nation Intervene and end all conflicts Protect us, protect our nation, our nation, South Africa - South Africa

Speaking of the work of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission they speak of the distance between truth and reconciliation. When people ask if this has been achieved in South Africa, Desmond Tutu speaks of Germany today where one can ask about reconciliation where alienation still exists after separate existence for 50 years. In South Africa alienation existed for 300 years. Reconciliation is a process, a national project where every South African makes a contribution. "We are wounded people" he said.

His latest book published this year is Made for Goodness: And Why This Makes All the Difference.