tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21346696.post3638704559000873454..comments2023-11-03T05:33:56.202-04:00Comments on On Not Being a Sausage: Missing Magnificat on Episcopal CafeDeirdrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02106311465508277283noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21346696.post-11626665217117402672009-01-02T00:07:00.000-05:002009-01-02T00:07:00.000-05:00It's the supreme irony that when I was preaching i...It's the supreme irony that when I was preaching in the RC Church, I got to preach on Mary's Magnificat on 4 Advent. Now in TEC, I can do so but we don't get to hear the Gospel --I have to add it in to the sermon because I happen to have a Magnificat bias :-)-- and the congregation at which I was preaching on this Advent 4 (not my home base) didn't have the Magnificat as canticle and I didn't have the option to request it. Which wouldn't have resolved the matter anyway, because, as I just pointed out on the Episcopal Café site, it is a different matter to have the Magnificat read <I>as Gospel</I>. <BR/><BR/>I'll be curious to see what your response is when you return from the U.K. Bop on over to the Café when you've recovered from jet lag. People aren't "getting it." They're talking about the use of the Magnificat in Evening Prayer. Getting everyone to pray the Office, or even pray it more attentively, is not going to address the issue you raised. <BR/><BR/>I did sneak the Magnificat in there in my <A HREF="http://actsofhope.blogspot.com/2008/12/sermon-for-4th-sunday-of-advent.html" REL="nofollow">recent Advent 4 sermon</A>, but it was very different from preaching on a Gospel featuring Mary and Elizabeth and the Magnificat itself.<BR/><BR/>Re: hymns. Someone at the Café did mention the version of the Magnificat in one of the hymnbooks ("Tell Out, My Soul") but I prefer the one we used at Ecumenical Evening Prayer (essentially a Cathedral Office of Evening Prayer) at CDSP, which is <A HREF="http://bluecloak.net/advent/hymns/magnificat.htm" REL="nofollow">Miriam Therese Winter's version</A>. Not sure whether or where it can be found in our hymnbooks (I don't have a copy of <I><A HREF="http://www.churchpublishing.org/products/index.cfm?fuseaction=productDetail&productID=127" REL="nofollow">Wonder, Love, & Praise</A></I> or of <I><A HREF="http://www.churchpublishing.org/products/index.cfm?fuseaction=productDetail&productID=294" REL="nofollow">Voices Found</A></I> here - and my experience is few congregations use them; alas; and not enough use <I>Lift Every Voice and Sing</I>, either), but the Dean of Chapel introduced it at CDSP.Jane Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13814517077774999407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21346696.post-46400032916663750542008-12-31T11:49:00.000-05:002008-12-31T11:49:00.000-05:00In the Catholic lectionary, it's the gospel for th...In the Catholic lectionary, it's the gospel for the 4th Sunday of Advent, as well as being used on the Feast of Mary's Immaculate Conception.<BR/><BR/>That probably doesn't help much, though.Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10655295657138050889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21346696.post-4435107527458058322008-12-30T11:00:00.000-05:002008-12-30T11:00:00.000-05:00D, this year the RCL allows for the Magnificat to ...D, this year the RCL allows for the Magnificat to be used in place of the psalm on Advent 3 and 4, and we used it both Sundays. Not sure if this is true in years A and C.Rev Dr Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11607665272056430039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21346696.post-2794898641056174082008-12-30T05:17:00.000-05:002008-12-30T05:17:00.000-05:00Here are some linkshttp://books.google.co.uk/books...Here are some links<BR/>http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZaWZvgkMmqwC&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=cantate+domino+wcc&source=web&ots=2-d3YVPCbM&sig=4-0rtVXOr77L8CraPHZI7BdhP3I&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result<BR/><BR/>Kaan's hymns are published by Stainer and Bell<BR/>Cantate Domino is published by the WCC but has been out of print for decades I suspect<BR/>Anyway it would seem that Fred has rewritten Magnificat for a new millenium - scroll down here:<BR/>http://www.stainer.co.uk/kaan.html<BR/>In fact I think I may have a copy of this on my growaning bookshelves ... will try and dig out the text for you. Anyway here's the blurb. Fred was my moderator when I was candidating for the ministry and I learnt German in Berlin thanks to him in many ways.<BR/>The Only Earth We Know<BR/>Hymns and Lyrical Poems<BR/>Published 1999<BR/>ISBN 0 85249 852 7<BR/>[Online Shop]<BR/>Published to coincide with Fred Kaan's 70th birthday, this is the definitive collection of his work; as he himself describes it, 'One man's 100 hymns, give or "take five" . . . For today and (I dare to hope) for some of our tomorrows'.<BR/><BR/>Included in the volume is the text for Magnificat for a New Millennium, a major cantata with music by Knut Nystedt, commissioned for EXPO 2000, the World Exhibition in Hanover, Germany.<BR/><BR/>Many of the hymns in The Only Earth We Know have been revised in the light of insights gained from inclusive language. The volume also contains a rich diversity of familiar and specially-written settings, by a range of composers including Peter Churchill, Maggie Hamilton, Ron Klusmeier, Doreen Potter, Pamela Ward and Carlton R. Young.Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04405344181636487394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21346696.post-74942548772603091532008-12-29T17:55:00.000-05:002008-12-29T17:55:00.000-05:00I wondered who that was!!! Thanks so much Jane for...I wondered who that was!!! Thanks so much Jane for the hymn reference which was new to me. Could you give me a link for "Cantate Domino"?Deirdrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02106311465508277283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21346696.post-37857303181328308072008-12-29T03:19:00.000-05:002008-12-29T03:19:00.000-05:00sorry - the joys of computer sharing mean that I w...sorry - the joys of computer sharing mean that I was logged in with my partner's alias!<BR/>HAve a great new year!<BR/>http://stranzdocs.blogspot.com/2008/03/order-of-worship-for-funeral-of-walter.html<BR/>http://stranzdocs.blogspot.com/2008/02/sermon-for-funeral-of-walter-josef.htmlJanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04405344181636487394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21346696.post-3971229678252888592008-12-29T03:15:00.000-05:002008-12-29T03:15:00.000-05:00CAn't get to the episcopal cafe post at the moment...CAn't get to the episcopal cafe post at the moment but do you know Fred Kaan's hymn - which is of course sung to the tune of the red flag - also of course the tune of Tannebaum or O Christmas tree<BR/>here are the words - we sang them at my father's funeral - this was written before Fred was challenged to re-write his hymns in the light of feminist theology. Anyway this hymn has also been translated into French and German and is number 39 in Cantate Domino - though the tune being the red flag only really works for anglophones.<BR/><BR/>Sing we a song of high revolt;<BR/>Make great the Lord, his name exalt:<BR/>Sing we the song that Mary sang<BR/>Of God at war with human wrong.<BR/>Sing we of him who deeply cares<BR/>And still with us our burden bears;<BR/>He, who with strength the proud disowns,<BR/>Brings down the mighty from their thrones.<BR/><BR/>By him the poor are lifted up:<BR/>He satisfies with bread and cup<BR/>The hungry folk of many lands;<BR/>The rich are left with empty hands.<BR/>He calls us to revolt and fight<BR/>With him for what is just and right<BR/>To sing and live Magnificat<BR/>In crowded street and council flatgenevahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16373623070981137620noreply@blogger.com